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		<title>By: MetalProxy</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/03/20/first-and-second-party-content/#comment-37126</link>
		<dc:creator>MetalProxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I check out &quot;news 4 gamers&quot; alot. They tend to piss me off, but they do give me the heads up on stuff. Anyways all I can say is that I cant what for LAIR!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I check out &#8220;news 4 gamers&#8221; alot. They tend to piss me off, but they do give me the heads up on stuff. Anyways all I can say is that I cant what for LAIR!</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/03/20/first-and-second-party-content/#comment-37060</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 03:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darrin what I meant is simple.  If both systems now have 98% of the same titles something has to change.  Microsoft will either develop their own or purchase exclusive games for their console.  Sony will continue to develop their own and rely less on outside developers like they have in the past.  Becuase Sony and Microsoft will try to &quot;1 up each other&quot; there will be more 1st party exclusives that are actually first/second party.  Each company will try to have more exclusive games and cover more genres.

What this means is we still get all of the 3rd party titles we are used to but even more 1st party titles.  Anyway you cut it the single console owner gets more quality games and will have more choice.  Multi-console owners like myself gain reasons to own all consoles.  If in one console cycle there are 10-30 must own exclusive titles on each system, life is great.  I never have to buy EA crap again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darrin what I meant is simple.  If both systems now have 98% of the same titles something has to change.  Microsoft will either develop their own or purchase exclusive games for their console.  Sony will continue to develop their own and rely less on outside developers like they have in the past.  Becuase Sony and Microsoft will try to &#8220;1 up each other&#8221; there will be more 1st party exclusives that are actually first/second party.  Each company will try to have more exclusive games and cover more genres.</p>
<p>What this means is we still get all of the 3rd party titles we are used to but even more 1st party titles.  Anyway you cut it the single console owner gets more quality games and will have more choice.  Multi-console owners like myself gain reasons to own all consoles.  If in one console cycle there are 10-30 must own exclusive titles on each system, life is great.  I never have to buy EA crap again!</p>
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		<title>By: fleakitten</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/03/20/first-and-second-party-content/#comment-37054</link>
		<dc:creator>fleakitten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey this article discussion made it on News4Gamers.

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-30856.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey this article discussion made it on News4Gamers.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-30856.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-30856.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: TimeLordMalik</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/03/20/first-and-second-party-content/#comment-37050</link>
		<dc:creator>TimeLordMalik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 00:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There really is no lack of exclusives, it&#039;s just fanboys getting rattled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There really is no lack of exclusives, it&#8217;s just fanboys getting rattled.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/03/20/first-and-second-party-content/#comment-37021</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Darrin.  Good to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Darrin.  Good to know.</p>
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		<title>By: dragonopolis</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/03/20/first-and-second-party-content/#comment-37017</link>
		<dc:creator>dragonopolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think multi-consoles are good.   I believe it is a cop out for developers to not have to custom tailor their games for specific consoles.  Now DMC fans will get a game that is design to run on both Xbox 360 and PS3 and won&#039;t take advantages of each console&#039;s strengths (they don&#039;t want to alienate their customer base).

I not saying that the game will suck or not look good just won&#039;t be bleeding edge coolness like an exclusives.  What I believe we all want is fun, entertaining games that push the limits of our game machines (whether you are a 360 or PS3 user)).  Both systems are capable machines but their strengths and weakness are totally different from each other.  Thus developers have to limit themselves to what both machines can do well (which usually isn&#039;t as good as a game engine specifically designed for that console)

To me that isn&#039;t next gen gaming. next gen is the combination of pushing  both the hardware and the software/game experience to heights.

Maybe we will start to see an new change forming in how we label Developer Groups.  Perhaps there needs to be four Groups

First Party - Own and funded by the Company who owns the console

Second Party -  Own independently but works and funded exclusively with a specific console manufacturer

Third Party -  Independently owned companies that make exclusive titles for console without the aid from one of the console companies. (they can make cross-platform too but must have exclusives to be considered third party.

Fourth Party -  This would be the same as Third Party except no exclusives.

This would work to both Microsoft and Sony&#039;s advantage because it would take pressure off them to always have to fund the big or create the big titles.  I also believe that there is a larger amount of gamers that prefer that games are exclusive and only buy exclusives unless the non-exclusive is really  really good.  

Now I am not suggesting the game engine has to be completely different - its more than that.
Its about also providing perhaps another Story based on a similar engine custom tailored for the console (such as Gears of War using Unreal Engine modified to take advantage of the Xbox 360 strengths). Comes from the same Engine but Story (and in a sense game play) is completely different from each other.  Or, Ninja Gaiden, which is using the same story but using a completely different engine than the Xbox 360 plus is adding enough different content to justify keeping it a Third Party title rather than dropping it to a Fourth Party title.
For instance, Capcom could have release a twist or different perspective to Devil May Cry story (maybe a female Character rather than a Male).  Good enough but different enough (but still Devil May Cry) that you sell the customers on the Franchise but you keep it different enough that these new fans just might want to play &quot; the other console&#039;s&quot; version thus pay again.  Plus, the get on the Sony&#039;s and Microsoft&#039;s good side because the game is selling system consoles.  They would also be on the Console fans side because each console has their own &quot;exclusive&quot; to the story.

This was just an idea and not preaching it as  &quot;the bible&quot; of Developer ratings.  
I just believe that something must be done by Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo (perhaps together) that would push Third Party developers to release more exclusive games for their systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think multi-consoles are good.   I believe it is a cop out for developers to not have to custom tailor their games for specific consoles.  Now DMC fans will get a game that is design to run on both Xbox 360 and PS3 and won&#8217;t take advantages of each console&#8217;s strengths (they don&#8217;t want to alienate their customer base).</p>
<p>I not saying that the game will suck or not look good just won&#8217;t be bleeding edge coolness like an exclusives.  What I believe we all want is fun, entertaining games that push the limits of our game machines (whether you are a 360 or PS3 user)).  Both systems are capable machines but their strengths and weakness are totally different from each other.  Thus developers have to limit themselves to what both machines can do well (which usually isn&#8217;t as good as a game engine specifically designed for that console)</p>
<p>To me that isn&#8217;t next gen gaming. next gen is the combination of pushing  both the hardware and the software/game experience to heights.</p>
<p>Maybe we will start to see an new change forming in how we label Developer Groups.  Perhaps there needs to be four Groups</p>
<p>First Party &#8211; Own and funded by the Company who owns the console</p>
<p>Second Party &#8211;  Own independently but works and funded exclusively with a specific console manufacturer</p>
<p>Third Party &#8211;  Independently owned companies that make exclusive titles for console without the aid from one of the console companies. (they can make cross-platform too but must have exclusives to be considered third party.</p>
<p>Fourth Party &#8211;  This would be the same as Third Party except no exclusives.</p>
<p>This would work to both Microsoft and Sony&#8217;s advantage because it would take pressure off them to always have to fund the big or create the big titles.  I also believe that there is a larger amount of gamers that prefer that games are exclusive and only buy exclusives unless the non-exclusive is really  really good.  </p>
<p>Now I am not suggesting the game engine has to be completely different &#8211; its more than that.<br />
Its about also providing perhaps another Story based on a similar engine custom tailored for the console (such as Gears of War using Unreal Engine modified to take advantage of the Xbox 360 strengths). Comes from the same Engine but Story (and in a sense game play) is completely different from each other.  Or, Ninja Gaiden, which is using the same story but using a completely different engine than the Xbox 360 plus is adding enough different content to justify keeping it a Third Party title rather than dropping it to a Fourth Party title.<br />
For instance, Capcom could have release a twist or different perspective to Devil May Cry story (maybe a female Character rather than a Male).  Good enough but different enough (but still Devil May Cry) that you sell the customers on the Franchise but you keep it different enough that these new fans just might want to play &#8221; the other console&#8217;s&#8221; version thus pay again.  Plus, the get on the Sony&#8217;s and Microsoft&#8217;s good side because the game is selling system consoles.  They would also be on the Console fans side because each console has their own &#8220;exclusive&#8221; to the story.</p>
<p>This was just an idea and not preaching it as  &#8220;the bible&#8221; of Developer ratings.<br />
I just believe that something must be done by Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo (perhaps together) that would push Third Party developers to release more exclusive games for their systems.</p>
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		<title>By: Sporty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sporty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea SCE Liverpool is making the PS3 Wipeout about now. After F1 and Lemmings they have to be doing something.

Their really are a lot of SCE studios I have no idea wtf they are working on now. Its harder to keep track of since the renaming and merging.

London other then Home also have Getaway 3 and Eight Days in development. You know Japan studio has more then just Eye of Judgement and the next PS3/PSP LocoRoco&#039;s going. They probably have another Ape Escape and Siren team is doing something on PS3. And since Bend doesn&#039;t do jack but make Syphon Filter games, one is probably in dev for PS3 now that they just pumped out the PSP one.

Sony&#039;s first party is massive. Most people don&#039;t realize it since for the most part they work on original IP&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea SCE Liverpool is making the PS3 Wipeout about now. After F1 and Lemmings they have to be doing something.</p>
<p>Their really are a lot of SCE studios I have no idea wtf they are working on now. Its harder to keep track of since the renaming and merging.</p>
<p>London other then Home also have Getaway 3 and Eight Days in development. You know Japan studio has more then just Eye of Judgement and the next PS3/PSP LocoRoco&#8217;s going. They probably have another Ape Escape and Siren team is doing something on PS3. And since Bend doesn&#8217;t do jack but make Syphon Filter games, one is probably in dev for PS3 now that they just pumped out the PSP one.</p>
<p>Sony&#8217;s first party is massive. Most people don&#8217;t realize it since for the most part they work on original IP&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: jasp</title>
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		<dc:creator>jasp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wipeouts missing aswell theres a decent chance it&#039;l arrive this year.</description>
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