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		<title>by: johnejohn</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/10/28/why-drop-ps2-bc/#comment-92350</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 05:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Does anyone know if the 40 Gig will still upconvert regular DVD movies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know if the 40 Gig will still upconvert regular DVD movies?
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		<title>by: bobeotm</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/10/28/why-drop-ps2-bc/#comment-92125</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I definitely think its Grocery Store Psychology. I just saw a new ps3 ad here in the states for Ratchet and Clank and it has the PS3 at the end and the man says "STARTING AT $399". People like having the option of something cheaper, despite whether they choose it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely think its Grocery Store Psychology. I just saw a new ps3 ad here in the states for Ratchet and Clank and it has the PS3 at the end and the man says &#8220;STARTING AT $399&#8243;. People like having the option of something cheaper, despite whether they choose it or not.
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		<title>by: Gary</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/10/28/why-drop-ps2-bc/#comment-91995</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/10/28/why-drop-ps2-bc/#comment-91995</guid>
					<description>Simple fact is guys, negative PS3 news produces more comments and feedback than positive ones. 

As Darrin has said, his recent 'positive' articles have received hardly any comments, compared to his other posts that may have been more 'negative' in the past.

I genuinely believe that this site doesn't go over the top in it's praise for the PS3 but when we are disappointed about something we don't hide it and criticise it when we feel (as individuals) criticism is due.

Sporty, to use tidy links on here it's:

&lt;a href="url" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple fact is guys, negative PS3 news produces more comments and feedback than positive ones. </p>
<p>As Darrin has said, his recent &#8216;positive&#8217; articles have received hardly any comments, compared to his other posts that may have been more &#8216;negative&#8217; in the past.</p>
<p>I genuinely believe that this site doesn&#8217;t go over the top in it&#8217;s praise for the PS3 but when we are disappointed about something we don&#8217;t hide it and criticise it when we feel (as individuals) criticism is due.</p>
<p>Sporty, to use tidy links on here it&#8217;s:</p>
<p><a href="url" rel="nofollow"></a>
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		<title>by: liar</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/10/28/why-drop-ps2-bc/#comment-91973</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 05:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/10/28/why-drop-ps2-bc/#comment-91973</guid>
					<description>Your right..the latest articles have been far more positive. And to be honest I think you've generally been more upbeat than Henning overall .. this site does have multiple personalities :) I've always assumed it was a closed system. See what I can do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your right..the latest articles have been far more positive. And to be honest I think you&#8217;ve generally been more upbeat than Henning overall .. this site does have multiple personalities <img src='http://www.ps3blog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;ve always assumed it was a closed system. See what I can do.
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		<title>by: Darrin</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/10/28/why-drop-ps2-bc/#comment-91955</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 02:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/10/28/why-drop-ps2-bc/#comment-91955</guid>
					<description>Hey, look at the last four posts I did that are still on the front page: R&#038;C is glowingly positive (and people have accused me of being a Sony shill for praising R&#038;C too much), Disgaea and Nobi Nobi were positive, and I added some positive analysis to the financial loss of Sony's gaming division.

Those posts got 2, 1, 1, 0 comments (excluding mine). This is the only post that got a response. BTW, I don't own this site, or make a single dime off of this, I just do it for fun and for comments.

And, I completely agree, that in general, the media is way too negative about the PS3.

If we're missing positive stories, speak up! We're always watching for positive stories, and would love to add more. If you get some good leads, we can write them up, or if you would like to give it a shot and take the time to write it up and get pics/links, I'll post it for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, look at the last four posts I did that are still on the front page: R&#038;C is glowingly positive (and people have accused me of being a Sony shill for praising R&#038;C too much), Disgaea and Nobi Nobi were positive, and I added some positive analysis to the financial loss of Sony&#8217;s gaming division.</p>
<p>Those posts got 2, 1, 1, 0 comments (excluding mine). This is the only post that got a response. BTW, I don&#8217;t own this site, or make a single dime off of this, I just do it for fun and for comments.</p>
<p>And, I completely agree, that in general, the media is way too negative about the PS3.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re missing positive stories, speak up! We&#8217;re always watching for positive stories, and would love to add more. If you get some good leads, we can write them up, or if you would like to give it a shot and take the time to write it up and get pics/links, I&#8217;ll post it for you.
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		<title>by: liar</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/10/28/why-drop-ps2-bc/#comment-91948</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 01:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/10/28/why-drop-ps2-bc/#comment-91948</guid>
					<description>I think it hits all those points to varying levels. A good thing. I think Sporty's point is more that many articles here come across either as a negative headline or focusing on a negative point rather than focusing on all the incredible positive points of the PS3. 

For example this headline could have been why removing BC is a masterstroke by Sony.. because from all of the reasons listed it is IMO.. unless the media is flooded with articles why it's a disaster...the stories that MS and their shills in the media are planting as often as they can...I think that is more Sporty's point or at least how I interpret it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it hits all those points to varying levels. A good thing. I think Sporty&#8217;s point is more that many articles here come across either as a negative headline or focusing on a negative point rather than focusing on all the incredible positive points of the PS3. </p>
<p>For example this headline could have been why removing BC is a masterstroke by Sony.. because from all of the reasons listed it is IMO.. unless the media is flooded with articles why it&#8217;s a disaster&#8230;the stories that MS and their shills in the media are planting as often as they can&#8230;I think that is more Sporty&#8217;s point or at least how I interpret it.
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		<title>by: bunnyhero</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/10/28/why-drop-ps2-bc/#comment-91943</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 01:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/10/28/why-drop-ps2-bc/#comment-91943</guid>
					<description>i think all of those reasons seem pretty plausible. and i don't see this as a negative article at all. in fact, by presenting what look like (to me) decent reasons, i think it's actually a more positive article than others i've read about the dropping of the BC.

i think it's possible that pure software BC might show up someday, alongside PS2 downloads in the PSN store... but not until the PS3 has a stronger foothold in the market on its own right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think all of those reasons seem pretty plausible. and i don&#8217;t see this as a negative article at all. in fact, by presenting what look like (to me) decent reasons, i think it&#8217;s actually a more positive article than others i&#8217;ve read about the dropping of the BC.</p>
<p>i think it&#8217;s possible that pure software BC might show up someday, alongside PS2 downloads in the PSN store&#8230; but not until the PS3 has a stronger foothold in the market on its own right.
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		<title>by: Sporty</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/10/28/why-drop-ps2-bc/#comment-91932</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/10/28/why-drop-ps2-bc/#comment-91932</guid>
					<description>Damn that's ugly, how do you post links here? I tried html once and it didn't work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn that&#8217;s ugly, how do you post links here? I tried html once and it didn&#8217;t work.
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		<title>by: Sporty</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/10/28/why-drop-ps2-bc/#comment-91931</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/10/28/why-drop-ps2-bc/#comment-91931</guid>
					<description>Sorry if it seemed like an attack. I didn't mean it that way

But following the production changes in the PS3 it seems more obvious to me I guess.

&lt;a href="http://www.gamesradar.com/us/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?articleId=2007032214253995082&#38;releaseId=20060314115917309058&#38;sectionId=1006" rel="nofollow"&gt;gamesradar link&lt;/a&gt;

Beginning early this year Sony started plans to reduce the components of the PS3 to reduce manufacturing costs. The 80GB and PAL60GB were the first steps in taking out the Emotion Engine. With the 40GB they removed the GS and all the other PS2 chips, along with reducing the component count in half and moving the Cell to 65nm.

That cut manufacturing costs quite a bit for Sony, without them they wouldn't have been able to take $200 of the price. But just like the Xbox Elite, Pro and Arcade, it doesn't cost Sony another $100 for the GS on the higher model 80GB to make. What it does is put the entry level PS3 within a stone throw away from the  360 Pro. Since the PS3 isn't stripped down for PS3 games at least and offers more features then the 360 Pro (like larger HDD, Blu-Ray player, WiFi), it isn't a bad deal. However, just like the 360 Arcade/Core, once people are looking at the system for $399, the PS2 compatibility for $100 more isn't that bad.

Similar mentality to what stores use. They get you in the door for a sale price, but you see a better model not too much more, by the time you are ready to buy you have spent more then you expected.

They really should have kept the 20GB and marketed it as a 'Core' entry level system. Hardly anyone bought the 20GB and barely anyone buys the 360 Core. But they give the illusion of a cheaper system.

The real question is why aren't they exploring Software emulation for the GS and few hundred chips of the PS2 they removed? I don't' see why they aren't. For all we know they are but it's not as simple as emulating just the EE. When they had full hardware PS2 compatibility they had nearly all 700 components of the PS2 inside the PS3.

Sorry again Darrin, I just seems like a lot of the positive PS3 news is often overlooked and sites are still talking about PS2 compatibility as if the price drop isn't a good thing.

I mean, Uncharted will be the first PS3 game to have achievements as revealed in the EGM Live podcast last week, but no one talks about that. PS3 is $100 cheaper in a few days but people seem more worried that they lose the ability to play games from a system that costs $100 and most people already own, and it's not like they can't get a model that does play them. Or that any other Console can play those same games either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry if it seemed like an attack. I didn&#8217;t mean it that way</p>
<p>But following the production changes in the PS3 it seems more obvious to me I guess.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gamesradar.com/us/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?articleId=2007032214253995082&amp;releaseId=20060314115917309058&amp;sectionId=1006" rel="nofollow">gamesradar link</a></p>
<p>Beginning early this year Sony started plans to reduce the components of the PS3 to reduce manufacturing costs. The 80GB and PAL60GB were the first steps in taking out the Emotion Engine. With the 40GB they removed the GS and all the other PS2 chips, along with reducing the component count in half and moving the Cell to 65nm.</p>
<p>That cut manufacturing costs quite a bit for Sony, without them they wouldn&#8217;t have been able to take $200 of the price. But just like the Xbox Elite, Pro and Arcade, it doesn&#8217;t cost Sony another $100 for the GS on the higher model 80GB to make. What it does is put the entry level PS3 within a stone throw away from the  360 Pro. Since the PS3 isn&#8217;t stripped down for PS3 games at least and offers more features then the 360 Pro (like larger HDD, Blu-Ray player, WiFi), it isn&#8217;t a bad deal. However, just like the 360 Arcade/Core, once people are looking at the system for $399, the PS2 compatibility for $100 more isn&#8217;t that bad.</p>
<p>Similar mentality to what stores use. They get you in the door for a sale price, but you see a better model not too much more, by the time you are ready to buy you have spent more then you expected.</p>
<p>They really should have kept the 20GB and marketed it as a &#8216;Core&#8217; entry level system. Hardly anyone bought the 20GB and barely anyone buys the 360 Core. But they give the illusion of a cheaper system.</p>
<p>The real question is why aren&#8217;t they exploring Software emulation for the GS and few hundred chips of the PS2 they removed? I don&#8217;t&#8217; see why they aren&#8217;t. For all we know they are but it&#8217;s not as simple as emulating just the EE. When they had full hardware PS2 compatibility they had nearly all 700 components of the PS2 inside the PS3.</p>
<p>Sorry again Darrin, I just seems like a lot of the positive PS3 news is often overlooked and sites are still talking about PS2 compatibility as if the price drop isn&#8217;t a good thing.</p>
<p>I mean, Uncharted will be the first PS3 game to have achievements as revealed in the EGM Live podcast last week, but no one talks about that. PS3 is $100 cheaper in a few days but people seem more worried that they lose the ability to play games from a system that costs $100 and most people already own, and it&#8217;s not like they can&#8217;t get a model that does play them. Or that any other Console can play those same games either.
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		<title>by: MeeToo</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2007/10/28/why-drop-ps2-bc/#comment-91929</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Occam's razor -- To reduce cost.

If cost is not the issue then, they would have put tons of feature to PS3. But didn't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occam&#8217;s razor &#8212; To reduce cost.</p>
<p>If cost is not the issue then, they would have put tons of feature to PS3. But didn&#8217;t.
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