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	<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/04/ps3-and-in-game-advertisments/</link>
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		<title>by: Paranoimia</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/04/ps3-and-in-game-advertisments/#comment-152362</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/04/ps3-and-in-game-advertisments/#comment-152362</guid>
					<description>How am I speaking crap? Yes, games have increased in price, but there hasn't been any paid advertising in them as a general rule. What I'm saying is that this MAY reduce future increases.

Sales of consoles may have increased, but it's common knowledge that consoles aren't where companies make their money. Even at the UK launch price of £425, Sony were making a LOSS on every console sold.

GAMES are where they generate the majority of their profit, and with titles such as Killzone 2 costing multi-millions to develop, either they charge more for them, or they have to look elsewhere for the revenue.

OPM UK recently ran an article (issue 18, May 2008, pages 34-35) about the cost of games. Doom on PC in 1993 cost around £100,000 to develop.  The cost of the average PS1 game was £75,000 to £1.5 million. Shenmue on Dreamcast cost £10 million. Average budget for a PS2 game: £2-3 million.

Average budget for a PS3 game? £5-8 million. And most of these studios put out several games a year.

For every £1 you spend on a game, here's how it's divided up:

5% licensing
5% manufacturing costs
5% retail placement fee
7% marketing
3% publisher/distributor profit
10% console owner fee
45% development costs
20% retail mark-up


So of the £40 or £50 you hand over for a game, the developer gets less than half of that money. Outside of development costs, the retailer takes the largest slice.

Just as UK fuel prices could be lowered if tax was cut, so the price of games could drop if retailers weren't so greedy.

So unless you want low-budget crappy games, or are willing to pay considerably more for your games in the future as development costs continue to rise, I'd get used to seeing adverts in games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How am I speaking crap? Yes, games have increased in price, but there hasn&#8217;t been any paid advertising in them as a general rule. What I&#8217;m saying is that this MAY reduce future increases.</p>
<p>Sales of consoles may have increased, but it&#8217;s common knowledge that consoles aren&#8217;t where companies make their money. Even at the UK launch price of £425, Sony were making a LOSS on every console sold.</p>
<p>GAMES are where they generate the majority of their profit, and with titles such as Killzone 2 costing multi-millions to develop, either they charge more for them, or they have to look elsewhere for the revenue.</p>
<p>OPM UK recently ran an article (issue 18, May 2008, pages 34-35) about the cost of games. Doom on PC in 1993 cost around £100,000 to develop.  The cost of the average PS1 game was £75,000 to £1.5 million. Shenmue on Dreamcast cost £10 million. Average budget for a PS2 game: £2-3 million.</p>
<p>Average budget for a PS3 game? £5-8 million. And most of these studios put out several games a year.</p>
<p>For every £1 you spend on a game, here&#8217;s how it&#8217;s divided up:</p>
<p>5% licensing<br />
5% manufacturing costs<br />
5% retail placement fee<br />
7% marketing<br />
3% publisher/distributor profit<br />
10% console owner fee<br />
45% development costs<br />
20% retail mark-up</p>
<p>So of the £40 or £50 you hand over for a game, the developer gets less than half of that money. Outside of development costs, the retailer takes the largest slice.</p>
<p>Just as UK fuel prices could be lowered if tax was cut, so the price of games could drop if retailers weren&#8217;t so greedy.</p>
<p>So unless you want low-budget crappy games, or are willing to pay considerably more for your games in the future as development costs continue to rise, I&#8217;d get used to seeing adverts in games.
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		<title>by: Sigil</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/04/ps3-and-in-game-advertisments/#comment-152359</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/04/ps3-and-in-game-advertisments/#comment-152359</guid>
					<description>Your speaking crap paranoimia, basically game prices HAVE ALREADY increased to compensate for the higher dev costs, not only that there's arguably less competition with the Wii largely aimed at a different audience. Sales of games and consoles have also increased since last generation so with that in mind, why do we need this advertising again? I just see it as companies wanting more money and doing it at the expense of the gamer, why spend £40 to have advertisements everywhere? 

Face it, if companies can't manage a team to make a game profitable when it costs £40 then they clearly shouldn't be in the industry. Look at Gears of war, sold over 3 million on the 360 but they put it on the PC to just try and cash in, did they have to? No it was already profitable. It was just another cash in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your speaking crap paranoimia, basically game prices HAVE ALREADY increased to compensate for the higher dev costs, not only that there&#8217;s arguably less competition with the Wii largely aimed at a different audience. Sales of games and consoles have also increased since last generation so with that in mind, why do we need this advertising again? I just see it as companies wanting more money and doing it at the expense of the gamer, why spend £40 to have advertisements everywhere? </p>
<p>Face it, if companies can&#8217;t manage a team to make a game profitable when it costs £40 then they clearly shouldn&#8217;t be in the industry. Look at Gears of war, sold over 3 million on the 360 but they put it on the PC to just try and cash in, did they have to? No it was already profitable. It was just another cash in.
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		<title>by: komodo dragon</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/04/ps3-and-in-game-advertisments/#comment-152156</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/04/ps3-and-in-game-advertisments/#comment-152156</guid>
					<description>i find these in game advertisements to be numerous. I mean we fine capatilist pigs must continue to hash out more and more ways to earn extra money, or advertise to earn extra money, lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i find these in game advertisements to be numerous. I mean we fine capatilist pigs must continue to hash out more and more ways to earn extra money, or advertise to earn extra money, lol.
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		<title>by: Trigga_Tybalt</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/04/ps3-and-in-game-advertisments/#comment-152148</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/04/ps3-and-in-game-advertisments/#comment-152148</guid>
					<description>Paranoimia - especially true in sports games, but then they are already full of adverts so i wonder how they can add any more to this. i think its fair to say we are all worried by an advert overload. i'm hoping they apply it in the right amount so its not overbearing but enough to help generate some money for game developers to help the industry along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paranoimia - especially true in sports games, but then they are already full of adverts so i wonder how they can add any more to this. i think its fair to say we are all worried by an advert overload. i&#8217;m hoping they apply it in the right amount so its not overbearing but enough to help generate some money for game developers to help the industry along.
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		<title>by: Paranoimia</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/04/ps3-and-in-game-advertisments/#comment-152122</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/04/ps3-and-in-game-advertisments/#comment-152122</guid>
					<description>Trigga - I take the point that GTA is a parody of real life, and so may not be an ideal example. But certainly games like that will be the main targets for in-game advertising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trigga - I take the point that GTA is a parody of real life, and so may not be an ideal example. But certainly games like that will be the main targets for in-game advertising.
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		<title>by: Trigga_Tybalt</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/04/ps3-and-in-game-advertisments/#comment-152119</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/04/ps3-and-in-game-advertisments/#comment-152119</guid>
					<description>"Something like GTA would, I feel, benefit from having real adverts dotted around Liberty City."

i disagree on this. i believe the fake adverts are what helps to create the GTA world. it would be out of place to have real ad boards when everything else like cars, the internet and even the city is fake. would just be weird. 

on the topic as long as they use the adverts responsibly then i'm all for it. maybe only in menu screens so it doesn't result in big billboards all over games? or advert breaks between levels? that would suck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Something like GTA would, I feel, benefit from having real adverts dotted around Liberty City.&#8221;</p>
<p>i disagree on this. i believe the fake adverts are what helps to create the GTA world. it would be out of place to have real ad boards when everything else like cars, the internet and even the city is fake. would just be weird. </p>
<p>on the topic as long as they use the adverts responsibly then i&#8217;m all for it. maybe only in menu screens so it doesn&#8217;t result in big billboards all over games? or advert breaks between levels? that would suck.
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		<title>by: JimH</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/04/ps3-and-in-game-advertisments/#comment-152116</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/04/ps3-and-in-game-advertisments/#comment-152116</guid>
					<description>Maybe this is one way to get EA to implement new Valveachievements and new maps for Team Fortress 2.  So what if the Ubersaw has a Coca-cola logo on it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe this is one way to get EA to implement new Valveachievements and new maps for Team Fortress 2.  So what if the Ubersaw has a Coca-cola logo on it?
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		<title>by: Paranoimia</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/04/ps3-and-in-game-advertisments/#comment-152115</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/04/ps3-and-in-game-advertisments/#comment-152115</guid>
					<description>Want to see some over-the-top knee-jerk reaction? Check out the replies to the story on ThreeSpeech:

http://threespeech.com/blog/?p=1127</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want to see some over-the-top knee-jerk reaction? Check out the replies to the story on ThreeSpeech:</p>
<p><a href="http://threespeech.com/blog/?p=1127" rel="nofollow">http://threespeech.com/blog/?p=1127</a>
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		<title>by: Paranoimia</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/04/ps3-and-in-game-advertisments/#comment-152109</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/04/ps3-and-in-game-advertisments/#comment-152109</guid>
					<description>As usual, there are already complaining about this, and saying that the price of games should drop as a result. But as I've posted elsewhere:

It won't lead to a decrease in the price of games, but it may result in the lack of a significant increase.

As gamers, we have to be realistic. We demand better and better games, and those cost multi-millions to develop - last I heard, Killzone 2 had cost $11 million, and that was over a year ago, so I hate to think what the total currently stands at.

But the minute there's an increase in the price, everyone starts shouting that they're being ripped off. Someone has to fund these games, and if we the gamers are not willing to pay £79.99 per title, then the money has to come from elsewhere. In-game advertising is an unfortunate but logical step.

I object to advertising that's rammed down your throat, and wouldn't like to see things like "Sponsored by Ford" splashed over every menu and loading screen. But if it appears in games as - for example - advertising hoardings, then I don't mind. Something like GTA would, I feel, benefit from having real adverts dotted around Liberty City. Sure, the current ads are fun, but it the whole city would seem that much more real if you had adverts for Coke instead of e-Cola.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, there are already complaining about this, and saying that the price of games should drop as a result. But as I&#8217;ve posted elsewhere:</p>
<p>It won&#8217;t lead to a decrease in the price of games, but it may result in the lack of a significant increase.</p>
<p>As gamers, we have to be realistic. We demand better and better games, and those cost multi-millions to develop - last I heard, Killzone 2 had cost $11 million, and that was over a year ago, so I hate to think what the total currently stands at.</p>
<p>But the minute there&#8217;s an increase in the price, everyone starts shouting that they&#8217;re being ripped off. Someone has to fund these games, and if we the gamers are not willing to pay £79.99 per title, then the money has to come from elsewhere. In-game advertising is an unfortunate but logical step.</p>
<p>I object to advertising that&#8217;s rammed down your throat, and wouldn&#8217;t like to see things like &#8220;Sponsored by Ford&#8221; splashed over every menu and loading screen. But if it appears in games as - for example - advertising hoardings, then I don&#8217;t mind. Something like GTA would, I feel, benefit from having real adverts dotted around Liberty City. Sure, the current ads are fun, but it the whole city would seem that much more real if you had adverts for Coke instead of e-Cola.
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