Comments on: PS3 Games to Require Trophies, Eventually http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/30/ps3-games-to-require-trophies-eventually/ PS3 News and Views Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:13:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.5 by: Sporty http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/30/ps3-games-to-require-trophies-eventually/#comment-155002 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:25:23 +0000 http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/30/ps3-games-to-require-trophies-eventually/#comment-155002 Hell I've played 360 versions of plenty of games due to achievements. Developers are used to implementing them on the 360 so this system isn't a whole lot of extra work from the norm. Hell I’ve played 360 versions of plenty of games due to achievements. Developers are used to implementing them on the 360 so this system isn’t a whole lot of extra work from the norm.

]]> by: Henning http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/30/ps3-games-to-require-trophies-eventually/#comment-154993 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:40:00 +0000 http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/30/ps3-games-to-require-trophies-eventually/#comment-154993 What is "enough users"? And who says that they will bend to gamers' wishes? The industry has EA and Activision, both of whom ignore gamers' wishes all the time, and get away with it. Some things just have to be mandated. (I can't believe I'm arguing this way. I'm a big proponent of small government.) What is “enough users”? And who says that they will bend to gamers’ wishes? The industry has EA and Activision, both of whom ignore gamers’ wishes all the time, and get away with it. Some things just have to be mandated. (I can’t believe I’m arguing this way. I’m a big proponent of small government.)

]]> by: ehandlr http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/30/ps3-games-to-require-trophies-eventually/#comment-154992 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:34:15 +0000 http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/30/ps3-games-to-require-trophies-eventually/#comment-154992 Many multplatform games are bought on the 360 for achievement purposes alone. This would nullify that argument. Through many forums I've read...I see "I'll get it on 360 for achievements" So this will only help them sell games for the tiny trophies. Many multplatform games are bought on the 360 for achievement purposes alone. This would nullify that argument.

Through many forums I’ve read…I see “I’ll get it on 360 for achievements”

So this will only help them sell games for the tiny trophies.

]]> by: Darrin http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/30/ps3-games-to-require-trophies-eventually/#comment-154988 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:27:43 +0000 http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/30/ps3-games-to-require-trophies-eventually/#comment-154988 OK, I will agree that soundtrack and voice chat should be implemented underneath the games at the system level where they don't require any developer compliance. However, I will disagree on trophies. That crosses the line from a system feature to a game feature. Bottom line, you can't get high game quality through legal and political mandates. It's ultimately the developer's job to capture the interest of users and they should have full creative freedoms to reach that goal. If enough users actually want trophies, developers will willingly add that. It's only when the developers believe that their efforts are better spent on other features that they won't add them. OK, I will agree that soundtrack and voice chat should be implemented underneath the games at the system level where they don’t require any developer compliance.

However, I will disagree on trophies. That crosses the line from a system feature to a game feature. Bottom line, you can’t get high game quality through legal and political mandates. It’s ultimately the developer’s job to capture the interest of users and they should have full creative freedoms to reach that goal.

If enough users actually want trophies, developers will willingly add that. It’s only when the developers believe that their efforts are better spent on other features that they won’t add them.

]]> by: Henning http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/30/ps3-games-to-require-trophies-eventually/#comment-154983 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:55:23 +0000 http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/30/ps3-games-to-require-trophies-eventually/#comment-154983 Good example fleakitten. Activision's history shows their small regard for the PS3 platform, and they'd be the first to cut corners if not required to. We can all see how Microsoft requires certain features of Xbox 360 developers. Can we honestly say that it's hurt the 360 games or market? I don't think so. Quite the contrary - I think it's definitely helped. Good example fleakitten. Activision’s history shows their small regard for the PS3 platform, and they’d be the first to cut corners if not required to.

We can all see how Microsoft requires certain features of Xbox 360 developers. Can we honestly say that it’s hurt the 360 games or market? I don’t think so. Quite the contrary - I think it’s definitely helped.

]]> by: fleakitten http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/30/ps3-games-to-require-trophies-eventually/#comment-154980 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:51:00 +0000 http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/30/ps3-games-to-require-trophies-eventually/#comment-154980 I think alot of devs like Activision would opt-out of including tropies. It's better to make it a requirement like the achievement system. I think alot of devs like Activision would opt-out of including tropies. It’s better to make it a requirement like the achievement system.

]]> by: Gary http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/30/ps3-games-to-require-trophies-eventually/#comment-154979 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:44:53 +0000 http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/30/ps3-games-to-require-trophies-eventually/#comment-154979 You may have a point with regards to Trophies, Darrin but I feel devs need a massive kick up their collective arses when it comes to comms and other basic options in online multiplayer games. I've banged on about this before and I won't stop until more games are at least on a par with Resistance's online infrastructure. The game is coming up to almost 2 years old yet it STILL has the best online infrastructure of any game on the PS3. That is an absolute disgrace and something that really annoys the hell out of me and it's why games like Warhawk, Everybody's Golf and CoD4 have quickly fallen to one side. There's simply no excuse for crappy comms, lack of squads, mute buttons, stable party and lobbies and in some cases, no comm support at all, in online multiplayer games. This is no doubt down to Sony giving devs too much freedom within the PSN rather than forcing them to implement key features that would only make online games more successful. You may have a point with regards to Trophies, Darrin but I feel devs need a massive kick up their collective arses when it comes to comms and other basic options in online multiplayer games.

I’ve banged on about this before and I won’t stop until more games are at least on a par with Resistance’s online infrastructure.

The game is coming up to almost 2 years old yet it STILL has the best online infrastructure of any game on the PS3.

That is an absolute disgrace and something that really annoys the hell out of me and it’s why games like Warhawk, Everybody’s Golf and CoD4 have quickly fallen to one side.

There’s simply no excuse for crappy comms, lack of squads, mute buttons, stable party and lobbies and in some cases, no comm support at all, in online multiplayer games.

This is no doubt down to Sony giving devs too much freedom within the PSN rather than forcing them to implement key features that would only make online games more successful.

]]> by: Darrin http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/30/ps3-games-to-require-trophies-eventually/#comment-154978 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:32:01 +0000 http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/06/30/ps3-games-to-require-trophies-eventually/#comment-154978 I hate that. Give developers the right to opt-out. The developers are in the best position to decide where is best to spend their time/resources. If devs feel that the effort involved with trophies wouldn't be justified, let them spend their resources elsewhere. The last thing the industry needs is political feature set enforcement on the developers. I hate that. Give developers the right to opt-out. The developers are in the best position to decide where is best to spend their time/resources. If devs feel that the effort involved with trophies wouldn’t be justified, let them spend their resources elsewhere. The last thing the industry needs is political feature set enforcement on the developers.

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