Comments on: Carmack on Rage and DVD Storage

By: Paranoimia

Paranoimia — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 10:21:58 +0000

Of course, it would be an ideal way for MS to force 360 owners into buying their over-priced proprietary HDD units…

By: The Claw

The Claw — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:05:43 +0000

Even if you were able to install some of Rage’s game data onto the 360′s hard drive you’d still have to switch discs because apparently only 1/3 of the game fits onto one 9GB DVD, essentially meaning that it’s roughly a 27GB game.

You can’t install 27GB (or even 20GB) of game data onto the 360′s hard drive because the 360 only has 13GB of user space on a brand new, completely unused, “20GB” hard drive. The other 7GB is used for the operating system.

They mentioned that they were discussing the possibility of streaming game data over Xbox Live and while that’s probably the only way they could get away with not making 360 users switch discs, it’s a complete shot in the dark. Could Xbox Live actually handle such a pipeline without clogging up and breaking down on users mid-game? Would Microsoft actually allow for such a huge bandwidth destroying pipeline to be installed? Does id Software really want to limit their user base like that? All of that is stupidly doubtful.

Basically, 360 users are getting screwed with Rage. Sony should buy timed exclusitivity from id Software just to pour a little salt in Microsoft’s wound.

By: Mike

Mike — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:35:24 +0000

This is more of a business issue than a technical issue. He’s airing dirty laundry publicity to force Microsoft’s hand, which is a smart move.

Also consider the fact that before Unreal Engine took over, id used to be the king of engine licensing. If he wants id Tech 5 to take off in all sorts of games (look at Square Enix using UE3 for Last Remnant) he doesn’t want the potential of increased royalties on 360 to scare developers and publishers off.

This is really bizarre though, and I’m surprised it took this long to be made known. They’re going to include game installs in the next system update to try to negate the advantage that blu-ray provides in terms of storage and not having to switch discs, but they’re going to make companies pay more to take advantage of it?

Sony and Microsoft seem to go tit-for-tat in making strange decisions that create unnecessary headaches.

By: Emrah

Emrah — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:35:46 +0000

Albertane, they mean resistance uses two dvd’s worth of data..

@Henning: Maybe MS adds extra royalties per extra dvd to encourage devs fitting their games on a single DVD, this would create less hassle for Xbox360 users, and it would support their stance that DVD is a sufficient media.

By: Darrin

Darrin — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:16:32 +0000

Hard Drive Installs? We are talking about games using 20+ GB of storage. Most 360 hard drives have a grand total capacity of 20 GB. That isn’t big enough to install one of these games, even with absolutely nothing else on the drive.

GTA 4 has tons of content. I think the difference is that the 3D assets are simpler than something like Resistance or Uncharted or Rage.

Albertane, everyone knows all that. Of course Resistance shipped on a single blu-ray and the PS3 version of Rage will do the same, but the point is that the blu-ray capacity is needed and DVD-only capacity is a real limitation.