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	<title>Comments on: Mandatory Trophies in 2009</title>
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		<title>By: fleakitten</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/11/20/mandatory-trophies-in-2009/#comment-169826</link>
		<dc:creator>fleakitten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the trophy patch I know alot of people who overlook games w/o trophy support. Like Guitar Hero: World Tour vs Rock Band 2. GH:WT hasn&#039;t trophies so people are getting RB2 instead. I&#039;m having fun with GH:WT. I don&#039;t need extra incentives to play a game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the trophy patch I know alot of people who overlook games w/o trophy support. Like Guitar Hero: World Tour vs Rock Band 2. GH:WT hasn&#8217;t trophies so people are getting RB2 instead. I&#8217;m having fun with GH:WT. I don&#8217;t need extra incentives to play a game.</p>
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		<title>By: Emrah</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/11/20/mandatory-trophies-in-2009/#comment-169792</link>
		<dc:creator>Emrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darrin: This ensures, games like fallout, which shipped MONTHS after trophy support came into place and which came with achievements on Xbox360, doesn&#039;t come without trophies, so this is good for Sony and for us.. So they make it mandatory. Since they make it mandatory for multiplatform, it would not make sense to not make it mandatory for exclusives. Most third parties do multiplatform, and they&#039;ll have achievements anyway.

Smaller titles can get away with less trophies, as is the case with PSN downloadables, and they can be as simple as finishing a level, if the developer is not keen on finding interesting aspects of gameplay. Also, by making use of trophies, developers can channel players into a certain game mechanic that might go unnoticed if not reminded by a trophy, it can be a gameplay element, it can be a part of a level that has taken a lot of effort for the developers. So it can be nice for developers too..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darrin: This ensures, games like fallout, which shipped MONTHS after trophy support came into place and which came with achievements on Xbox360, doesn&#8217;t come without trophies, so this is good for Sony and for us.. So they make it mandatory. Since they make it mandatory for multiplatform, it would not make sense to not make it mandatory for exclusives. Most third parties do multiplatform, and they&#8217;ll have achievements anyway.</p>
<p>Smaller titles can get away with less trophies, as is the case with PSN downloadables, and they can be as simple as finishing a level, if the developer is not keen on finding interesting aspects of gameplay. Also, by making use of trophies, developers can channel players into a certain game mechanic that might go unnoticed if not reminded by a trophy, it can be a gameplay element, it can be a part of a level that has taken a lot of effort for the developers. So it can be nice for developers too..</p>
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		<title>By: mpz</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/11/20/mandatory-trophies-in-2009/#comment-169707</link>
		<dc:creator>mpz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hot water is optional in a tenancy in your neck of the woods?  Hah.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a matter of not putting the game on ps3 because of trophies, it is that the resources to do it will have to be paid for somehow.  Almost certainly by reducing resources elsewhere.  QA time, art, are probably the most hit.

On the flip-side, since so many seem to love the damn things, it will probably soon get to the point that people wont get a game without them, so the mandatory requirement isn&#039;t really changing anything, and developers will be forced to do it by economics anyway.

Speaking of economics ... I suspect after the orgy of christmas spending - which will probably break records again, there could be some seriously lean times coming up.  And the game industry wont be immune to it - might even be one of the first casualties (after the US car makers).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hot water is optional in a tenancy in your neck of the woods?  Hah.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a matter of not putting the game on ps3 because of trophies, it is that the resources to do it will have to be paid for somehow.  Almost certainly by reducing resources elsewhere.  QA time, art, are probably the most hit.</p>
<p>On the flip-side, since so many seem to love the damn things, it will probably soon get to the point that people wont get a game without them, so the mandatory requirement isn&#8217;t really changing anything, and developers will be forced to do it by economics anyway.</p>
<p>Speaking of economics &#8230; I suspect after the orgy of christmas spending &#8211; which will probably break records again, there could be some seriously lean times coming up.  And the game industry wont be immune to it &#8211; might even be one of the first casualties (after the US car makers).</p>
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		<title>By: darrin</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/11/20/mandatory-trophies-in-2009/#comment-169701</link>
		<dc:creator>darrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;m in the minority on this one.

This is like politicians forcing landlords to provide hot water to residential tenants: sure, many people are happy because they want hot water, but other tenants are upset because landlords are forced to take some low-priced properties off the market and convert them into higher end rentals or office space.

I disagree that developers were being lazy on this issue; most but not all developers seem to be eagerly adopting trophies. Developer compliance doesn&#039;t generally seem to be a problem. There are just a small number of holdouts.

And for those that love trophies, great! You are in the majority. But it&#039;s probably not a big deal if a few of the smaller or more unique titles don&#039;t support trophies and you have a 90% inclusion rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m in the minority on this one.</p>
<p>This is like politicians forcing landlords to provide hot water to residential tenants: sure, many people are happy because they want hot water, but other tenants are upset because landlords are forced to take some low-priced properties off the market and convert them into higher end rentals or office space.</p>
<p>I disagree that developers were being lazy on this issue; most but not all developers seem to be eagerly adopting trophies. Developer compliance doesn&#8217;t generally seem to be a problem. There are just a small number of holdouts.</p>
<p>And for those that love trophies, great! You are in the majority. But it&#8217;s probably not a big deal if a few of the smaller or more unique titles don&#8217;t support trophies and you have a 90% inclusion rate.</p>
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		<title>By: bunnyhero</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/11/20/mandatory-trophies-in-2009/#comment-169687</link>
		<dc:creator>bunnyhero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>er, &quot;put out a ps3 game&quot;. should have proofread before hitting &#039;submit&#039; :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>er, &#8220;put out a ps3 game&#8221;. should have proofread before hitting &#8216;submit&#8217; <img src='http://www.ps3blog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bunnyhero</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/11/20/mandatory-trophies-in-2009/#comment-169686</link>
		<dc:creator>bunnyhero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t you think sony already has a list of requirements before they can put out a ps3? trophy support is just one more on what i&#039;m sure is a long checklist of what developers are &quot;forced&quot; to do, the same as with any licensed console platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t you think sony already has a list of requirements before they can put out a ps3? trophy support is just one more on what i&#8217;m sure is a long checklist of what developers are &#8220;forced&#8221; to do, the same as with any licensed console platform.</p>
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		<title>By: Trev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff for me personally. I have become addicted to trophies re-playing GTAIV to get them and putting off fallout 3 until they&#039;re patched in. 

I agree they shouldn&#039;t be forced but developers on the PS3 plaftform have been lazy. The amount of times i have read the eurogamer face offs and seen lazy port after lazy port makes me frustrated. i hope this gives developers a kick up the ass and give us PS3 gamers some better quality games at last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff for me personally. I have become addicted to trophies re-playing GTAIV to get them and putting off fallout 3 until they&#8217;re patched in. </p>
<p>I agree they shouldn&#8217;t be forced but developers on the PS3 plaftform have been lazy. The amount of times i have read the eurogamer face offs and seen lazy port after lazy port makes me frustrated. i hope this gives developers a kick up the ass and give us PS3 gamers some better quality games at last.</p>
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		<title>By: Henning</title>
		<link>http://www.ps3blog.net/2008/11/20/mandatory-trophies-in-2009/#comment-169656</link>
		<dc:creator>Henning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d much rather have splitscreen support in games that should have it than mandatory trophies in all games. :)

That said, I see your point, but don&#039;t agree. Fact is, there are lots of gamers out there for whom trophies are a big deal. Often gamers buy the 360 version of a game just because it has Achievements. Does Sony want to leave that money and marketshare on the table, especially when developers are already creating Achievements for the 360 versions and it&#039;s easy enough to port them over to the PS3? I don&#039;t think so. Does Sony want a bifurcated market of games with Trophies and games without? No. Sony should have implemented Trophies ages ago.

On a related note, what is Sony going to do about mandated Home support? What good is the ability to get together with friends in Home, if a game doesn&#039;t support Home game launching? (In case you didn&#039;t know, you can get together with friends in Home, set up a Warhawk game from within Home  (which includes map, game type, etc), and then you&#039;ll all be whisked away to the same match in Warhawk, together as a party. Great stuff!) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d much rather have splitscreen support in games that should have it than mandatory trophies in all games. <img src='http://www.ps3blog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>That said, I see your point, but don&#8217;t agree. Fact is, there are lots of gamers out there for whom trophies are a big deal. Often gamers buy the 360 version of a game just because it has Achievements. Does Sony want to leave that money and marketshare on the table, especially when developers are already creating Achievements for the 360 versions and it&#8217;s easy enough to port them over to the PS3? I don&#8217;t think so. Does Sony want a bifurcated market of games with Trophies and games without? No. Sony should have implemented Trophies ages ago.</p>
<p>On a related note, what is Sony going to do about mandated Home support? What good is the ability to get together with friends in Home, if a game doesn&#8217;t support Home game launching? (In case you didn&#8217;t know, you can get together with friends in Home, set up a Warhawk game from within Home  (which includes map, game type, etc), and then you&#8217;ll all be whisked away to the same match in Warhawk, together as a party. Great stuff!)</p>
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