This Generation Paving the Way for PS4?



*Article is an opinion of the writer and should not be seen as fuel for the “console war”, even though that will probably be it’s fate*

This generation of gaming consoles has proven a lot of things since the Xbox 360 launched. Remember the days when the PlayStation 3 was stumbling down a steep hill, with sales numbers faltering up until the price drop and the release of the Slim model? Out of the big three, Sony is, indeed, in 3rd place in total number of consoles sold, lagging behind the 360 by 5 – 6 million units (Wii is at around a ridiculous 67 million).

Because of this, people claim that Sony has lost the console war; jumping to an invalid conclusion. Keep in mind, the 360 was released in November of 2005, a year earlier than the release of the PlayStation 3. A lot of people couldn’t wait to get into the “next gen” world, and this, in turn, caused a wave of people buying the console because friends owned it. With total 360 sales nearing 38 million, and Sony closing in on 32 million (according to VGChartz, which isn’t an entirely reliable source, but the numbers are close enough for a relative sales figure within the realm of reality).

That being said, the 360 has been out for about 50 or so months, with the PS3 being out for about 38. Doing the math, that would mean the PS3 sells about 840,000 units a month (remember, the console was a staggering $600 at one point, too), with the 360 selling 760,000 per month (keep in mind, this is just total number of consoles sold over the number of months since release, there are slow months and there are big months (last calendar quarter of last year, the PS3 sold over 6.5 million consoles alone)). At this rate, within the next calendar year’s months (going by this number, and counting between March and December, being 9 months), the PS3 could potentially sell 7.56 million consoles, with the 360 selling 6.84 million.

This, of course, means that the sales figures will have to keep constant, which will most likely not be the case. This is when the Wii’s sales come in. With the casual market being their biggest push, they’ve been able to sell around 67 million consoles since launch, which is in the same time frame as the PS3. The problem with this is that their sales numbers keep falling, as opposed to rising. There is very little chance either of the other two will be catching up to those figures any time soon, though, but it does go to prove the gaming market is pretty sporadic and unpredictable.

Sticking with sales numbers, this is when they can be seen as questionable, especially on the 360 side. The 360 has an incredibly high failure rate, with the biggest culprit, literally 9 times out of 10, being the RROD (Red Ring of Death). It was so bad that Microsoft, in an effort to curb as many lawsuits as possible, had to extend their warranty for up to 3 years for that specific problem. After that warranty, most people, after having this issue, would go out and buy a replacement console as opposed to spending $150 to get theirs fixed (some even do so if their console is still under warranty).

To Microsoft’s credit, though, the turnaround for sending a console in and getting a replacement/repaired unit is relatively quick. Having experienced 2 RRODs, it only takes about 3 weeks max. The problem is, after that 3 years, you’ll have been screwed out of your purchase on something that should have lasted a lot longer. My first 360 died a couple months before they extended the warranty (this was back in 2007), and I didn’t have the money for a new one, so it just sat on the shelf while I enjoyed my PS3 (which I had actually gotten in February of that year, and spent the full $600 for my 60GB with all the bells and whistles).

Currently being on my third 360, I try to use it as little as possible, opting to play all third party multiplatform titles on the PS3, even if they are inferior (or, in Fallout 3’s case, I went with the PC version). I’m noticing a lot more problems now, issues I hadn’t even had with my other two 360 consoles. It doesn’t read discs half the time (and in Halo 3’s case, it tells me to enter either an Xbox or Xbox 360 format disc), the disc tray jams when you try to eject it (in order to open it, I have to nudge the tray around in different directions), and games crash on it all the time. I’m currently renting Forza 3 (great game by the way), and already had to reset the system about 10 times because of disc read errors and system crashing. I know a RROD is right around the corner!

With problems still persisting, this goes to show that the 360 sales are quite possibly the result of buying a new system to replace damaged ones. If they had better QA, and the systems were more reliable, the sales might actually be down a few million units. The PS3 has a few possible problems as well, with one of the more common ones being the “Yellow Light of Death” hardware failure, but even that’s more isolated than even the RROD. Sales as a result of YLOD wouldn’t be nearly as significant as that of RROD sales.

Now that we got that out of the way, let’s look at a possible conclusion to this generation of consoles. Nintendo, obviously taking the top spot, has proven that a good marketing campaign at the beginning, and pushing family-oriented gameplay down everyone’s throat (and with Nintendo itself being a household name), you can sell millions and millions of consoles. Too bad they lack the sheer number of good, quality games and, instead, are focused on quick-buck titles like mini games and licensed characters. Out of all the consoles, they have the most shovelware and their metacritic overall score suffers because of that.

With the unreliability and constant hardware failures of Microsoft’s 360, a lot of current users might look the other way by the time the 8th generation of consoles hit the market. Die hards/fan boys will no doubt jump ship to Microsoft’s next console, but that’s to be expected of any system. I might skip out on it myself, because when I owned an original Xbox, one failed on me, too (plus, Microsoft pretty much dropped all support of the system when the 360 was released, and the original Live service on Xbox will be discontinued on the 15th of April this year, so I would expect the same kind of treatment next generation).

This all leads to the PS3. The system may not have the best failure rate, but it is far better than the 360’s (jokingly (or am I?), the Wii’s extremely low failure rate might be due to the fact that once you buy one, it just sits on the shelf, and without using it, the hardware won’t fail :P). For what it’s worth, hardware is definitely one of Sony’s strong suits. It’s very reliable, too. The majority of original PS3 owners are still on their original 60GB with little to no issues (I was having a first-try disc read error, but after blowing the dust out of the system, I no longer have any issues).

Sony’s other strong point is a very strong first-party software lineup. With great games, both in the back catalog and forthcoming releases, Sony is, again, picking up on sales. Sure, the sales numbers aren’t as high as the 360’s, but always keep in mind that it’s quality over quantity, and the PS3’s exclusives almost always deliver on the quality front (well, most big-name titles anyway). The best part being, a lot of the back-catalog exclusives are Greatest Hits now, so new users can pick up masterpieces like Metal Gear Solid 4, Uncharted: Drakes Fortune, and Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction (etc, etc) for $30 or less. Given the games the system does have, it’s got the highest overall metacritic score of all consoles. Don’t get me wrong, the other two consoles also have some great exclusive titles, but nothing compares to Sony’s lineup (in my opinion anyway).

The future-proofing of the PS3 is another huge advantage. Back when it first came out, a lot of the tech was unproven. People questioned Sony’s motives with the system having HDMI, cell processor and blu-ray support, stating things like HDMI wasn’t necessary and blu-ray was going to fail. Assumptions were proven false. Later versions of the 360 now include HDMI ports, Microsoft responded to the PS3’s blu-ray drive with the (failed) $200 HD-DVD external drive, and the Cell has proven to be one heck of a powerhouse, supporting many civil and military applications (and they’ve done wonders with Folding@home/Life with PlayStation), and with developers finally getting the grasp of its capabilities, good things are bound to come. Then you have the easily replaceable hard drive…

All of this leads me to believe that this generation is but a stepping stone for Sony’s next console. This generation has shown that Sony still has about the most reliable hardware out there; they deliver quality titles, and take risks that usually prove to be beneficial as time goes on. Back when the original PlayStation was released, it sold roughly the same amount of consoles in the same time frame as the PS3 is in right now. It, too, took a lot of risks with unproven technology (CD/disc-based gaming), but led to the greatest feats in gaming history to date, the PlayStation 2. The real question is, will the PS4 be the console to dominate the next round of gaming systems? Being a Sony fan myself (read: NOT fan boy, I just grew an undeniable preference), I certainly hope so!

As a side note, hopefully they get a more unified community setup like Live by then, though, but it’s not the end of the world if it isn’t. They also need to lock games to, at least, the PSN ID as opposed to the hardware itself. Those are probably 2 of the biggest things PS3 users wanted to see this generation, so hopefully Sony will please the fans. There are also other lessons Sony should learn from this generation, including how to market games and consoles alike (their ad campaigns are far better than what they used to be at least), as well as forming better relationships with developers and lending a helping hand to ensure their version of games are on par with the competition. If they can manage this in the next generation, then they will undoubtedly be on top again.


Written by: Jay - Community Manager / Editor-In-Chief


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  1. #1 by oly1kenobi on February 9th, 2010 [ 132250 Points ]

    PS4 FTW!!! the thing is the Ps3 supposedly is supposed to last for 8 years??

  2. #2 by Emrah on February 9th, 2010 [ 7319 Points ]

    Lock saves to PSN ID not the PS3! That’s very, very important.

    Where possible, use online game saves like Steam Cloud.

  3. #3 by Paranoimia on February 9th, 2010

    Unquestionably the best article that has appeared on this site for a long, long time.

  4. #4 by JimmyStewart on February 9th, 2010 [ 710 Points ]

    Funny to see a disclaimer about an article not intended to create console wars… that then goes in to post the usual biases that start console wars! Would be a much more interesting read with those personal bits removed. I mean for a piece on the PS3 being a stepping stone for the PS4, all the business about sales, BEST exclusives and failure rates don’t do anything but show some biased console loyalty. I wish the article had focused more on the original intent rather than these sorts of incendiary remarks.

    That said, I do agree that this has been a learning period for Sony. I don’t see as much advantage in the hardware of the situation. I mean HDMI is a standard feature on just about everything, including it’s main competitor. Including Blu-Ray really benefited the Sony corporate overlords in terms of getting the format secured, but I don’t think it did much of anything to benefit games. I’d almost say that including Blu-ray hurt the games division by making a costly console that put it out of reach for a big party of the audience. And as costs have lowered, it’ll be much easier to lump into the next generation for either side. And the last I heard about the Cell processor was that they were abandoning it for the next console, I believe the rumor was they were looking at an intel chip. And then the easily replaceable hard drive… which is actually easier to replace (though an insane amount more expensive) on it’s competitor. Remember, last gen the XBox introduced the idea of a hard drive to consoles and this gen you personally see it as a big selling point for Sony. Last gen had the XBox with the better technology, this generation it’s Sony. Everything can and will change with each generation, there is no constant.

    BUT…

    Here’s my take on why the PS3 was Sony’s stepping stone so to speak. They’ve learned two lessons. First, it’s ALL in your last paragraph. The biggest WIN for MS this generation has been full fleshing out their online service. They’ve had an almost entire generation to get the service worked out, and they used that to their advantage. Sony has been spending their time trying to play “patch up”, but I think they’re almost there. A few more updates and provided MS doesn’t keep raising the bar they should be pretty much even. If Sony can have a full fledged online service to launch the PS4 with, I see that basically leveling the playing field somewhat. I think it could be what takes Sony back into that crazy stranglehold it held on the market with the PS2.
    Secondly I think Sony has learned that they did need exclusives. At the start of this gen Sony let almost all of their exclusives slip away. I know the big games I thought of when I thought of the PS brand were games like Final Fantasy and Devil May Cry. Meanwhile MS spent their money recruiting some great titles for their catalog. I think that’s working against MS to some degree, they’re starting to lose the deals they held now as more third party exclusives go multi-platform again. And Sony has spent that time building up a decent first party library which now competes with if not gives them the edge against MS. Halo is drying up and Gears is pretty close. After that the MS first party titles are slim pickings. Meanwhile Sony has a strong franchise with R&C and the last Uncharted was a critical darling. Plus they’re starting this year with my personal fav… God of War! Again, if they START the next round with a solid line-up of exclusives… that would push things in their favor.

    But, even if they did focus on these things and turned their brand back around… the important things isn’t to “hope” that Sony wins! It’s to notice that as each console faltered, the loser really had to step up it’s game. If it weren’t for MS struggling against Sony and the PS2 we might not have HDDs in console at all! And if Sony hadn’t struggled so hard with the PS3 they might not have ever gotten a worthwhile online service going! It’s through this competition that we the consumers win. The PS3s success makes the 360 a better console and vice versa.

  5. #5 by Bungie on February 9th, 2010

    Ps4 what ? after the great failure and shame that is the PS3 there can’t be a PS4 , what will it be another movie player?, a toy?, no please.

    Japanese don’t know how to make a real tech machine like the 360 we Americans are the Gods and Rulers of the videogame world.

    Japanese can keep making toys , leave gaming to the Americans.

  6. #6 by nathan118 on February 9th, 2010

    The PS4 is a LONG ways off. Sony still can’t make money off the PS3, and it’s just now at a price point that a lot of people want to buy it. The last thing Sony wants to do is come out with a new $600 console that nobody will buy. The PS3 is going to be around for a LONG time. I could even see Microsoft coming out with a new console TOO SOON, and pulling a dreamcast.

  7. #7 by JimmyMagnum on February 9th, 2010 [ 83111 Points ]

    JimmyStewart: I mean for a piece on the PS3 being a stepping stone for the PS4, all the business about sales, BEST exclusives and failure rates don’t do anything but show some biased console loyalty. I wish the article had focused more on the original intent rather than these sorts of incendiary remarks.

    I knew you’d come on here and complain :P/ How else could you write an article without bringing up such figures? It would be, dry, stale, and last maybe one paragraph.

    I mean HDMI is a standard feature on just about everything, including it’s main competitor.

    At the time, it was only seen on the likes of DVD players and not consoles (and, at the time, v1.3 was only seen on more higher end stuff). For a while, the 360 relied, for the highest resolutions, on Component (which is the best connection my console can do). The HDMI ports the newer 360s have are just v1.2 as opposed to 1.3 (like the PS3 has, which also gives it the capability to reproduce uncompressed surround).

    And the last I heard about the Cell processor was that they were abandoning it for the next console, I believe the rumor was they were looking at an intel chip.

    That was rumored, but the Cell was being dropped in other divisions, not the gaming division, so an updated Cell processor on the next console will still be a possibility.

    And then the easily replaceable hard drive… which is actually easier to replace (though an insane amount more expensive) on it’s competitor.

    But the PS3 still has the freedom of upgrading to larger hard drives. As it stands, the 360 only has a, what, 250GB HDD, without opening up the enclosure and manually replacing it/voiding warranties?

    Remember, last gen the XBox introduced the idea of a hard drive to consoles and this gen you personally see it as a big selling point for Sony.

    Remember last gen when the original PS2 models had an expansion bay for hard drives? Unfortunately, it wasn’t utilized much at all. Obviously, Microsoft saw the direction the PS2 wanted to take (but never did) and capitalized on that. And then they falter because this generation, they didn’t make the HDD a standard (the Core/Arcade systems), whereas the PS3 was smart and made it standard on all consoles

    Last gen had the XBox with the better technology, this generation it’s Sony.

    On paper, it had the better technology, but the reliability issues of that console was questionable as well. I still have a PS2 fatty that works just fine. This generation, the PS3 has about the most reliable console (save for the Wii) and the best tech behind it, which is better than having the best tech and poor reliability.

    Paranoimia: Unquestionably the best article that has appeared on this site for a long, long time.  

    Thanks

  8. #8 by Trieloth on February 9th, 2010 [ 3426 Points ]

    Oh no Bungie is here :(. I wonder if its the same xbot thats at N4G all the time. If it is get lost dood.

    Its a good read Jimmy. But you used up my break lol.

  9. #9 by Ceidz on February 9th, 2010 [ 38356 Points ]

    Great article !

  10. #10 by JimmyMagnum on February 9th, 2010 [ 83111 Points ]

    Trieloth: Its a good read Jimmy. But you used up my break lol.

    Sorry :(

  11. #11 by EdEN on February 9th, 2010 [ 141936 Points ]

    Well, next time Sony better get the price right. No way will I ever purchase a Console for more than $300. I just got a PS3 last November along with 6 games and 12 Bluray movies and have been renting more movies than games for now. Still, Bayonetta, Dante’s Inferno, FF XIII and GoW III are all pre-ordered so that will take away some movie time from the PS3.

  12. #12 by alex c on February 9th, 2010

    its something to to with eh next gen memory architecture… xdr memory over ddr meory used in other products

    couple this with the blu-ray 50gb, and soon to be 320 gb disks……

    ive herd the title rumour somewhere before

    f sony does win…with the cell processor, blu-ray, and xdr memory,,….other chip makers are in for difficulties….so are all pc gamers and other developers who arnt in sony ring,…lukily, sonys ring of developers, can more than cope for themselves…as they have been doing brilliantly with god of war, a game that would take a pc with a pair of 300 quid graphics cards ALONE, + harddrives, cd drives, dvd drives, bluray drivememory.(thats another 100-300 quid depending) motherboard thats another 100 for a good one..

    even with al this,…double graphics cards know as sli for n vida and crossfire x for ati…

    with all this,,…it would just run god of war smoooth……just.. copped it yet….ps4 is coming..

    2 cell chips and 4 times the memory with 320gb disks….good bye pc….

    i am windows 7, and i just died.

  13. #13 by alex c on February 9th, 2010

    yeh and i just ordered…heavy rain…..gta episodes, god of war collection, gran turismo 5……anD DUM DUM DUM….GOD OF WAR 3

    thats 160 quid …trraight to sonys first party developers (and rockstar..love the scottish develpers sik sik bas^&%$s)

    they make GAMES….other people copy. only there memory ist fact enough to cope with the rendering….

    good bye microsoft…..im a sony man now. u failed me with xbox 1, i had it for a year and a half and they pulled the plug….the shortest length of ownership of a console i ever saw….afer this i was set for sonys beast…..never looked back, and after playing god of war demo….im glad i havnt.

  14. #14 by Kratos on February 9th, 2010

    they need to ban that xbot bungie from n4g. Anyway Sony will defintley deliver with the PS4 from learnig from some of the mistakes with the PS3 such as Price point and a good game library at launch.

  15. #15 by lordincubus on February 9th, 2010 [ 185 Points ]

    Sony will not come out with a new System until wel after 2017. This system was built to last as this post clearly states. I think Sony is just getting started with this system. (even though its been 3 years) And if Sony is just getting started then these Third Party developers are really just getting to a point where they finally understand how to even use the system.
    The PS2 didn’t see really amazing games until the last 5 years anyway. Games like God of War, God Hand, Okami, and Final Fantasy 12 were games that came out on the system a few years before the PS3 was announced.
    Oh well this was a great article and I feel like this site is really getting to a point where it is the only reliable source for great topics and exclusive articles.

  16. #16 by alex c on February 9th, 2010

    i rekon, it will launch massivly overpriced, with 5 games….and a whole host of media streaming…..just like ps3…..

    lol

    agreed that the best games were at the end of ps2, although…there were good ones all the way through.

    ps3 has amazing games and there only getting better

    in the hearts and minds of many gamers

    they already won this gen….easily.

    although ,…all this talk..and the ps4 topic..is too early to tell…as other comments have said.

    another 5 years of gaming from ps3….let the steamroller out its shed…..ps3 is paving the way.

  17. #17 by TheRealMaxPower on February 9th, 2010 [ 960 Points ]

    There are so many problems with this article I don’t know where to start.

    PS2 had a terrible failure rate. My cousin bought 7 of them, I bought 3, and I know many that bought multiple PS2s. I was very hesitant to buy a PS3 for that reason, Especially at it’s entry price. Console failure will not stop people from buying a console. 360 has sold more units AFTER the Red Ring Fiasco. I actually avoid Sony products if at all possible. DVD players, CD players, Car audio, Cameras, AVRs, Labtops, etc. All have higher failure rates than their competitors. Sony makes HDTVs well. That is the one thing I will recommend family and friends to buy. Avoid the others like the plague. Sony also over charges for their products.

    Blu-Ray and HDMI were not included for you, the gamer. They were included for Copy Protection which made HDMI mandatory for HD movie playback plus Sony would win the HD DVD format war. Sony knew people would pay whatever to own the PS3 and “Hey, it plays Blu-Ray!” was a nice bonus for people. That sold millions of Blu-Ray movies. The PS3 outsold the HD-DVD camp by itself.

    If Sony cared about their gamers, they wouldn’t have pulled that crap. Blu-Ray is not needed for gaming. Don’t throw out disc size of current games as many have repeated information on it for disc reading speed increases. They also throw on a bunch of language and other crap we don’t need.

    Microsoft dropped the Xbox 1 because IT WAS LOSING MONEY ON EVERY CONSOLE SOLD!!!!! They wanted a clean start and got it with the 360. They dumped everything they had into making it successful (guess what, it worked) THEY WILL NOT ABANDON THE 360 BECAUSE THEY ARE MAKING A TON OF MONEY!!! That is why the PS1 and PS2 were keep long after their replacements. The Wii too will see long term development. First party titles are not needed to keep a system alive.

    You base success off of total console sales. 360 and Wii have been making money on the console itself for years (Wii since launch). Sony is STILL losing money on every PS3 sold. The only comfort for Sony is they won the HD format war. They will make that money back up later.

    Sony invented rip off accessories. Memory Cards, Multiple controllers per console (PS1 plain and analog and PS3 motion/ no motion). If you look at the DMD, Memory Stick, and god knows all of the other crap in every line they “invent”.

    They still don’t give you HD out of the box with PS3. You have to buy another cable (either HDMI or Component) to fully use the PS3. Doesn’t that seem a little stupid? An HDMI cable cost less than $0.30 for them. My cousin just got a PS3 and didn’t realize he needed a cable until I told him. He was blown away by the PQ difference. He is only 38. How many PS3 owners don’t realize they need HDMI? I actually know people that don’t know it plays DVDs. That is terrible!

    Sony needs to be more developer friendly. Have you realized that ALMOST ALL multiplats look and run better on the 360? Why does Modern Warfare 2 run at 12 FPS more on the 360? Where is all of this power PS3? Sony cannot prove to anyone that the PS3 is more powerful than the 360. It really frustrates me that they don’t work with their developers. There is NO reason multiplats run worse on the PS3 besides Sony not getting them the tools they need to master the system.

    What does folding@home have to do with gaming?

    Why are you excited it took developers YEARS to get the handle of the PS3?

    Everyone seems to think the PS4 is SOOOO far away. I disagree. I would almost count on 2012 as the LAST possible year it will be released. I strongly believe the 2011 Holiday will see the new systems. I am ready for it. The lessons Sony learned this round were:

    1)Don’t be late to the party (Dreamcast failed due to NO EA support).
    2)Don’t release at $600 when the competitor is $200 cheaper with more games.
    3) I HOPE they realize they need better developer tools.
    4) PSN needs an upgrade with a new console.

    Sorry for the long post. I may come off as 360 Boy or whatever you want to call me and I don’t care. I have been a gamer far longer than most/all here and have seen the game change multiple times. I have major problems with all 3 consoles right now. All I can hope is that the next generation improves all of them. Many mistakes were made by all 3 and I highly doubt any of them will be so dumb next gen.

  18. #18 by TheRealMaxPower on February 9th, 2010 [ 960 Points ]

    Really this gen has no bearing on the next. We have no idea what any of the big 3 will come out with next time. Outside of HD for all, Online for all, no one has any clue.

    So far the most successful console the last 2 gens has been the weakest power wise. PS2 was inferior to the Dreamcast, Xbox, and Game Cube. Wii will not be caught this gen. Sony may see that and dial it back a little to get a cheap system that makes them money early on. I would.

  19. #19 by Trieloth on February 9th, 2010 [ 3426 Points ]

    Quotes from RealMaxPower
    “My cousin bought 7 of them, I bought 3, and I know many that bought multiple PS2s”
    Wow I didnt have them problems and neither did my friends. But the failure rate is oddly simular to the 360 and its problems. My 360 broke (RROD) and I rarely use the thing.

    “Blu-Ray is not needed for gaming”
    Pffht really dood. Not needed? Then why o why in the **** is Forza 3, Mass Effect, etc. (many M$ games) on multiple discs? Humm space an issue possibly?

    “I have been a gamer far longer than most/all here and have seen the game change multiple times.” Now this comment is so stupid I dont even know where to begin. Alot of us here are older. Me being 32 and I have played pretty much EVERYTHING out there starting with the atari 2600. But now I see why the younger kids are bitching about the “adults”.

  20. #20 by JimmyMagnum on February 9th, 2010 [ 83111 Points ]

    TheRealMaxPower: PS2 had a terrible failure rate. My cousin bought 7 of them, I bought 3, and I know many that bought multiple PS2s.

    I agree, the PS2 had a pretty large failure rate, but it was nowhere near as bad as the 360 failure rate.

    360 has sold more units AFTER the Red Ring Fiasco.

    The Red Ring fiasco is still not exactly over with, since they seem to still have problems with the hardware far more frequently than the PS3.

    DVD players, CD players, Car audio, Cameras, AVRs, Labtops, etc. All have higher failure rates than their competitors. Sony makes HDTVs well. That is the one thing I will recommend family and friends to buy. Avoid the others like the plague. Sony also over charges for their products.

    Sony makes good products if you get the right ones. I will agree with Car Audio, laptops, etc, but I had a Sony CD player, dropped all the time, banged up like crazy, and still worked great for about 5+ years. TVs and game systems I’ve always been satisfied with, but I think Samsung makes better TVs, but I do agree with their products being a tad overpriced.

    Blu-Ray and HDMI were not included for you, the gamer. They were included for Copy Protection which made HDMI mandatory for HD movie playback plus Sony would win the HD DVD format war.

    It was a mixture of the two. One, it gave access to audio and visual under one cable as opposed to multiple cables, or a cable with 5 off-shoots (7 in the case of the 360).

    They also throw on a bunch of language and other crap we don’t need.

    They usually have different languages, etc on one disc to save money on manufacturing costs (assuming developers take advantage of it), so you’ll only really need to manufacture on one line as opposed to multiple lines for multiple regions. Using blu-ray, they have the capability, and also have the capability to run games from another region without the need for a modded system (in other words, you can import a Japanese title and it will play on a US PS3).

    Microsoft dropped the Xbox 1 because IT WAS LOSING MONEY ON EVERY CONSOLE SOLD!!!!! They wanted a clean start and got it with the 360. They dumped everything they had into making it successful (guess what, it worked) THEY WILL NOT ABANDON THE 360 BECAUSE THEY ARE MAKING A TON OF MONEY!!!

    OK, let’s look at this now. 1, is it really fair to the gamers for their manufacturer to drop a system completely, even after a new one comes out? THat only shows they are in it for the money as opposed to being in it for the gamers. People will say that Sony is in it for the money as well. Well, if that were the case, then they would have dropped PS2 and PS1 support as soon as their successors came out. They were losing money on those consoles for a while, too you know? Oh, and by the way, Microsoft is still losing money on the 360 as well. The only one turning a profit would most likely be the Wii.

    Sony invented rip off accessories. Memory Cards, Multiple controllers per console (PS1 plain and analog and PS3 motion/ no motion). If you look at the DMD, Memory Stick, and god knows all of the other crap in every line they “invent”.

    No one ever said anything about Sony inventing anything. First off, the world revolves around using ideas already available to have something more proprietary. Memory cards, etc, for sure, had similar tech already in different markets, it’s just the fact that Sony has taken advantage of the technology and used it in their own systems, which had almost always proven successful.

    They still don’t give you HD out of the box with PS3. You have to buy another cable (either HDMI or Component) to fully use the PS3. Doesn’t that seem a little stupid?

    I agree. They should have, at least, included the component cables, though, HDMI would have been the better option. Maybe something similar to what the 360 had, with component and composite on the same cable (that’s what I use). At least it uses the same cable from PS2, so if you had components for that, you can now use them for PS3 (which, in itself, was a smart move, but would have been better if it was better advertised).

    Sony needs to be more developer friendly. Have you realized that ALMOST ALL multiplats look and run better on the 360? Why does Modern Warfare 2 run at 12 FPS more on the 360? Where is all of this power PS3? Sony cannot prove to anyone that the PS3 is more powerful than the 360. It really frustrates me that they don’t work with their developers. There is NO reason multiplats run worse on the PS3 besides Sony not getting them the tools they need to master the system.

    I agree, they need to work with developers a LOT more, but Sony has already proven it’s tech with first party titles, which, IMO, is more than reason enough to make their system more accessible to the developers. The only reason the 360 games tend to look better is because more people are familiar with PC programming as opposed to Cell programming. With the Cell processor having each SPE running at 3 GHz, it’s an insane numbers cruncher, and not too many developers, unfortunately, have been able to adapt to its architecture.

    What does folding@home have to do with gaming?

    Though it doesn’t have anything to do with gaming directly, it has proven the capabilities of the system’s processor, being able to simulate the folding and misfolding of proteins on a supercomputer level. If devs were able to adapt to the processor’s full potential, partnered with the RSX, there would be more stellar games on par with the likes of Uncharted 2 and God of War 3, etc.

    Why are you excited it took developers YEARS to get the handle of the PS3?

    Because now we will start seeing a turnaround on the game quality from third party developers. Sure, some are too cheap to invest in completely understanding the tech (and Sony being too stingy to help out when they needed it most). Sales numbers are finally getting developers to want to develop games better on the PS3 now. Sure, it would have been nicer if they did so from the beginning.

    Everyone seems to think the PS4 is SOOOO far away. I disagree. I would almost count on 2012 as the LAST possible year it will be released. I strongly believe the 2011 Holiday will see the new systems. I am ready for it.

    2012 would be a definite maybe, but more realistically, since people want to get as much out of their products as possible, 2015 would most likely be the latest, with 2012 being the earliest. In reality, this generation of gaming consoles seemed to have just started within the last year or so.

    1)Don’t be late to the party (Dreamcast failed due to NO EA support).
    2)Don’t release at $600 when the competitor is $200 cheaper with more games.
    3) I HOPE they realize they need better developer tools.
    4) PSN needs an upgrade with a new console.

    1. Dreamcast released a year earlier than PS2…
    2. I kinda agree, but given the tech the PS3 had, it wasn’t surprising
    3. I agree
    4. I agree

    All I can hope is that the next generation improves all of them. Many mistakes were made by all 3 and I highly doubt any of them will be so dumb next gen.

    I agree, hence the name of the article, though, most of it had to deal with taking advantage of the competition’s successes and fallacies.

    Really this gen has no bearing on the next.

    I disagree with that. If you don’t learn lessons from the generation before, we’d still be using cartridge based games on 16 bit systems, with the fix for a read error being to blow on the cartridge itself :P.

    So far the most successful console the last 2 gens has been the weakest power wise. PS2 was inferior to the Dreamcast, Xbox, and Game Cube. Wii will not be caught this gen. Sony may see that and dial it back a little to get a cheap system that makes them money early on. I would.

    Considering the position Sony has put itself in, they will most likely try to go with another spec’d out machine and aim to be the most powerful again, since it’s direct competition, Microsoft, plans on doing the same. The only thing they need to focus on is a respectable price point when the console does become available.

    @Trev: Yeah, tell me about it lol. I got Forza 3 from Gamefly and wondered why there was two discs haha. And to my disappointment, with disc read errors, I have about a gig of corrupted data on my 360 hard drive because installation of the second disc failed about halfway through (the discs themselves are in pretty much mint condition). It took me about 6 attempts before I finally got it to install and read discs correctly. If there’s a game exclusive to PC and the 360, I will most likely opt for the PC version instead of my crappy 360. So when I can, I will be getting Mass Effect 2 for PC.

  21. #21 by TheRealMaxPower on February 9th, 2010 [ 960 Points ]

    We have dealt with multiple discs on every system (that use discs) except the PS3. I have no issue with it at all. Putting Blu-Ray on the PS3 was strictly for Movies and beating HD-DVD. When 99.9% of games on 360 come on 1 disc, it is not a problem, at all. If Sony didn’t include Blu-Ray, the System could have sold for $400 at launch. That would have made a HUGE difference in sales for Sony. I don’t care, I like the Blu-Ray player and I am glad they put it in. I don’t own stock in Sony so if the make money or not is not my concern.

    I brought up the PS2 failure rate because it was bad. It wasn’t Red Ring bad, but still people didn’t think twice about. If anything, Xbox learned you don’t put a signal on the console that is universal. PS2 had a bunch of different problems but not signal.

    Sony did not drop the PS1 or PS2 because they were making a killing on the system itself and were selling games and making a killing. If you look at their numbers now they still make a killing on the PS2. Poor people usually don’t get a system until it hits the $99 price point and games can be found for $5-$10 that are high quality. There are what, 3,000 PS2 games? Their is a huge market after the new systems are out. Now that the 360 is making money, Microsoft will continue to sell the system once the new system is released. Maybe you didn’t look at it before from this standpoint. Xbox 1 hemorrhaged money. There isn’t a company anywhere that would continue to support a product if it loses Billions of dollars. If they are making Billions, they don’t throw that away either. I personally didn’t care as I bought a 360 upon release. Bought a few PS2 games brand new for $40 at release. Good times.

    I really hope this gen doesn’t last past 2012 (as the current gen). You shouldn’t either. Support will still be ongoing and game prices will drop. Usually 5 years after a system launch everything becomes the same. A.I., Graphic Tricks, Level Design, Draw Distance, etc. MW2 and many other popular games are not 720p, let alone 1080p.

    In order to get the game to run at an acceptable frame rate they compromise graphics and other effects. these systems are great and have some life left, but 2 more years is a long time. The systems will be maxed out by one of the many constraints the hardware has. When that happens I am ready to move on to something new. I like new and shiny game systems!

    Think of how massive the difference between the PS2 and PS3 was. There was a 6 year difference between them. 2012 would be 6 years. I really can’t see 9 years between launches. PC tech will be light years ahead by then.

  22. #22 by JimmyMagnum on February 9th, 2010 [ 83111 Points ]

    but still, it was unfair to XBox owners who purchased the original, only to be left behind when the new system came out. It, literally, only had a 4 year life span. Both Sony and Microsoft lost billions of dollars on the current systems, and now, both are getting closer to flatlining the price-to-profit/loss margin, albeit, the 360 is closer than the PS3 (or, if Microsoft is even making money on consoles sold, it would be minimal), even then, they lose $18 on every console sold, but more than make up for it on their attach rates, which is where both companies get their profits really.

    Of course, Microsoft makes a bigger profit because of Live, Sony’s profit making is still respectable, and as long as they have good games coming out, they would still turn a bit of a profit.

    These days, 2 years isn’t as long as it used to be. Back when the shift went from PS1 to PS2, graphics and processing technology was booming, with vast improvements every year, but now that technology boom has slowed down a bit, more game companies are focusing on consoles than ever before because the games can look good and play well without having to spend hundreds of dollars every year to upgrade a computer; basically, every game is guaranteed to work.

    With games maxing out, it’s a good idea to keep at that for at least a little bit before releasing new hardware, because once things have been maxed out, that’s when the games start to really shine. God of War II and Shadow of the Colossus of prime examples of great games at the end of a life cycle. The problem with releasing a new piece of hardware is that a lot of developers would start focusing on that hardware, and then lack development on the older hardware’s ports, etc. This was probably the reason why Sony lost exclusivity with the DMC and FF series, because Microsoft hit the market first and built up a fan base rather quickly, but now, according to a bunch of sources, FF devs are regretting that, as they had to drop a lot of content because of the 360′s limitations (they would have needed a few more discs probably).

    Which leads me to my next point. If I’m engrossed in a game, I’d rather not be interrupted by switching discs. With MY 360, I’d try to avoid it if at all possible because of my disc read errors, sticking CD tray, etc. I’m sure the next system lineup will have blu-ray capabilities as well. PS2 got a lot of flack because it had a DVD drive and people were saying CDs were just fine, yet, the PS2 helped pave the way for the DVD format’s success as well, and the space was beneficial for the games at that time, too. XBox, too, used the DVD technology for their games, but they didn’t really help the DVD community because you had to buy another device to enable movie playback.

    Blu-Ray is totally beneficial for gaming, especially when you get into larger, data heavy games. On a somewhat unrelated note, people want the Digital Download Era to come, but I don’t think that will be until the generation after the next, at least. The internet, as it stands, wouldn’t be able to handle that much bandwidth, and some internet service providers put a download cap on their data lines, and with games most likely topping 15-20GBs in the next couple years, it would require for multi-terabyte HDDs for you to have a respectable collection of games. And what happens when that HDD dies? You’ll either lose all that data and have to repurchase it, or, if the games service has a retrievable account, redownload them all and spend days waiting for that to finish. This, on top of the cost of a new HDD to replace it. This is why physical copies are always nice to have, and this is why blu-ray is going to be the format of choice for disc-based gaming within the next few years (I’d suspect that cartridge gaming could make a return as well, though, on like SD type cards, but they would have about the same space limitations as the current DVD standard). At least when the next system comes out, they’ll have faster blu-ray drives, so loading will be a lot faster, too. Plus, it calls for backwards compatibility on PS3 games, since it will most likely house an updated version of the Cell processor

  23. #23 by JimmyStewart on February 10th, 2010 [ 710 Points ]

    An article without biased attacks on the competition shouldn’t be dry and boring… IF you have an article worth writing. If you’re going to write an extremely opinionated piece of fan boy fluff work for the brand that you’re choosing… be honest and up front about it. Even if all this article was supposed to be was a fluff piece for the PS3, there’s NO reason to spend so much time trying to drag down the competition.

    You’ve taken a bunch of fanboy stats to try and consistently paint your console in the better light… and then you say it’s an article about the future. Focus on the future then! If you can’t manage to make an interesting article about your favorite console without trashing the competition than maybe you should rethink the article… and for that matter, maybe even the console you’re using! Hell, the Wii is my least favorite console and I could muster up an article on my hopes for the next one! And I could do it without trashing the PS3 or 360. There’s no need for it, at all.

    The stats for example are meaningless because they’re only used to convey things about this generation of consoles. First, take sales. Think of the sheer dominance of the PS2 last round and the less impressive numbers on the XBox 1. What did that mean for this round? What about the Gamecube numbers vs the Wii. It’s just not relevant when looking at the future, it’s only relevant with this generation.

    The same is said about using Metacritics stats. They’ll say exactly what you want them to say. For example you say the PS3 has the highest scores out of all the consoles. I’m not sure where this was sourced, but I do know it had the highest scores for 2009. Every year prior it’s been the 360, so the opposite stance would be that it’s had the best games for one year out of the past four. Also, those same stats show that the 360 had more games rated above 75. That would mean the the PS3 has more games that are rated well… but that the 360 has the most games rated the best.

    And since you took the time to respond to my initial post, I’ll do the same. It’s missing the point a bit, but I just feel it would be polite as this is obviously an issue you take dearly.

    If your point about future proofing with HDMI was that 1.2 doesn’t count, and that 1.3 is the wave of the future… Then what does the new 1.4 mean? Sony just lost that future proofing advantage didn’t they? And why do we care what this generation has for HDMI support, wasn’t this article about paving the way for the next console? Won’t both companies update their HDMI for those consoles? What does this have to do with future proofing anything?

    Sure the Cell might be in a PS4, without seeing the future we have no way to tell. The point is simply that we don’t know if it will be included at all and recent evidence at Sony would lead one to believe they’re leaning away from the process. It’s certainly not the best example for the point you’re trying to make.

    The HDD, again this is very fan boyish stuff here. All I said was that if you’re giving Sony props for having an “easily replaceable” hard drive, it’s worth noting how much easier it is to replace on the 360. It’s not to say the 360 is better or ideal, just that pushing that button and popping off your HDD is a ton easier than swapping a drive on the PS3. And once again, what on Earth does this have to do with the future? Surely the next generation will build on this, just like the current generation build on the last gen.

    And finally, about the XBox 1 having better technology. You cleverly loop this back into a focus on reliability. “On paper, it had the better technology, but the reliability issues of that console was questionable as well. I still have a PS2 fatty that works just fine.”
    But then respond a few posts down with… “I agree, the PS2 had a pretty large failure rate, but it was nowhere near as bad as the 360 failure rate.”
    Wha? And that’s what’s wrong with all this reliability stuff, it only matters individually. You had a problem with an XBox 1 and that translates to it being “reliability issues”.

    But most importantly, what I’m trying to cement is after all of the fan boy back and forth about how much better you feel the PS3 is, and how much better you feel the PS2 is… the point I am trying to make is all of that debate is of absolutely NO indication for what the PS4 will bring. You had a GREAT idea for an article I was REALLY excited to read. I still wish I could read that article. I guess it’s my fault. I keep coming to this site to be excited about my PS3… and instead I keep seeing a bunch of trash talked about the other consoles I play. I must mistype the website… I keep trying to find a blog about the PS3 and instead I keep finding the one that’s about how terrible Microsoft is. Hmmm…

  24. #24 by alex c on February 10th, 2010

    wow, really long answers….

    to all the xbots ,

    i hav to say..what are yo doing here

    and ps3 has alread won…..by far…miles and miles even in the hearts and minds of gamers everywhere

    were scorning that microsoft paid a few jap developers for games…but sony has s many games developers under their belt, i think they couldn’t care less…..peace out….and get urself a ps3…..its like owning a bmw compared to owning a ford,…the ford still gets you to the shops… but come on……..u need that air-conditioning and leather seats,…… DONT YOU

  25. #25 by Royalty32 on February 10th, 2010

    TheRealMaxPower & Bungie are nothing but M$ fanboys to the extreme. They think jus because xbox 360 has a great online service that it is better than anything that hit the market. PS2 was the best console handsdown for the decade. So many great games and still more coming. My ps2 never had any problems and ive had the fat and the slim. TheRealMaxPower is rite when he says the the wii wont be caught this gen and to be honest its on the pace of being the best selling system of all time but to burst his bubble, WHO GIVES A SHIT. The wii was made for little kids not hardcore gamers. PS3 is the best system ever made in terms of specs. PS3 will pass the 360 this year no doubt. I live in indy and i swear to god evry $299.99 ps3 is sold out at Walmart and Gamestop. If sony does the PS4 correctly, it will be the greatest system to date.

  26. #26 by lordincubus on February 10th, 2010 [ 185 Points ]

    I think Sony should try and focus on hand held gaming. That is clearly what is taking this world by storm. I have a 3Gs and all i do know is play games on it. Yes i might only do it when I am on the T or really bored but I still buy a ton of games for it. Sony should creat a more better handheld system that can sync to its next system (PS4). Essentually all games can have a portion that is played on the system and then can be pulled into a handheld version. Say a like an armor upgrade section for an RPG can be taken with you on your handheld and you can work on tweaks as you are on the go. Something like this would be the next wave. This whole motion business is dying hard. Games you can take with you or play in another formate would be more acceptable.

  27. #27 by JimmyMagnum on February 10th, 2010 [ 83111 Points ]

    JimmyStewart: Focus on the future then!

    How can one focus on the future without learning from the past, even if that learning is from the competition?

    The stats for example are meaningless because they’re only used to convey things about this generation of consoles. First, take sales. Think of the sheer dominance of the PS2 last round and the less impressive numbers on the XBox 1. What did that mean for this round? What about the Gamecube numbers vs the Wii. It’s just not relevant when looking at the future, it’s only relevant with this generation.

    This generation’s sales need to be high enough to have a possible revenue for the next system. That’s why Dreamcast never had a successor because that system flopped, losing tons of revenue and lost any chance for redeeming itself for the next console. PS3 was heading down that same path until the Slim was released, turning around the sales when they needed it most. If they let the sales falter and they never had that turnaround (due to a price cut and a new system design), they would have abandoned the PlayStation brand after this generation finished up.

    f your point about future proofing with HDMI was that 1.2 doesn’t count, and that 1.3 is the wave of the future… Then what does the new 1.4 mean? Sony just lost that future proofing advantage didn’t they? And why do we care what this generation has for HDMI support, wasn’t this article about paving the way for the next console? Won’t both companies update their HDMI for those consoles? What does this have to do with future proofing anything?

    v1.3 adds a lot more functionality than v1.2. Yeah, 1.4 is coming out so the PS3 isn’t that far ahead, but at least with them having v1.3, they’ve got an advantage with HD audio and other advantages. My point with this was that the PS3 took what was best available at the time and implemented it into their system. Since the 360 used a standard DVD drive, though, v1.3 HDMI would have been pointless anyway. Microsoft could learn some things from Sony, too.

    The HDD, again this is very fan boyish stuff here. All I said was that if you’re giving Sony props for having an “easily replaceable” hard drive, it’s worth noting how much easier it is to replace on the 360. It’s not to say the 360 is better or ideal, just that pushing that button and popping off your HDD is a ton easier than swapping a drive on the PS3. And once again, what on Earth does this have to do with the future? Surely the next generation will build on this, just like the current generation build on the last gen.

    I know it’s easier to replace the 360 HDD, but you’re stuck with what they give you. What I meant in my article was it’s easier to replace to high capacity HDDs if that helps you understand any better. And yeah, they will undoubtedly build upon it next gen. They’d be stupid not to. Then again, Microsoft made a mistake of their own by making the HDD optional this gen as opposed to mandatory. What this shows for the future is that it’s a very, very good idea to have memory stored in, and with an upgradeable HDD without a mandatory, sealed enclosure (only way an enclosure would work is if it resembled that of the 360′s but has tabs to open the cover of the enclosure and easily pop in a replacement).

    And finally, about the XBox 1 having better technology. You cleverly loop this back into a focus on reliability. “On paper, it had the better technology, but the reliability issues of that console was questionable as well. I still have a PS2 fatty that works just fine.”
    But then respond a few posts down with… “I agree, the PS2 had a pretty large failure rate, but it was nowhere near as bad as the 360 failure rate.”
    Wha? And that’s what’s wrong with all this reliability stuff, it only matters individually. You had a problem with an XBox 1 and that translates to it being “reliability issues”.

    The PS2 had a relatively bad failure rate, as did XBox 1, but the PS2′s failure rate is nowhere near the 360s. XBox 1′s failure rate was probably but a few points higher than the PS2′s but not much of a difference, i’ll admit that, but at least Sony improved their hardware when they got into this generation instead of making it worse! In relation to this article, if Sony keeps their hardware development in top shape, then we’re looking at next gen’s Sony system to have a sub-10% failure rate. Microsoft, IDK. If they want to do some good next gen, hopefully they’ll learn that they need more testing before they try to hit the market first.

    You had a GREAT idea for an article I was REALLY excited to read. I still wish I could read that article. I guess it’s my fault. I keep coming to this site to be excited about my PS3… and instead I keep seeing a bunch of trash talked about the other consoles I play. I must mistype the website… I keep trying to find a blog about the PS3 and instead I keep finding the one that’s about how terrible Microsoft is. Hmmm…

    No one is forcing you to come here. You don’t have too many fans either because almost every time you come here, you complain about something. I’m sorry the site isn’t EverySystemIsEqualBlog.net. You come to a PS3 site, you’re going to get articles that are a bit biased in areas (at least with my article, I gave Microsoft some credit, and as much as it deserved, too). If you want articles that are the way you want them to be, then the internet won’t have any available because everyone has a biased opinion on something.

    Sorry, but every time I get a Microsoft console, it takes a shit on me. Why would I say a lot of positive shit on that? Sure, it’s got a handful of good games, some OK ones, but nothing to get overly excited for. The hardware itself is crap, though. You seem to come here and want everyone to either say that the 360 is just as good, if not, better than the PS3, but that’s just not the case!


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